Ethereum Mining Rig [200k Investment] Bitcoin Forum: January 22. 1 Hash Ubiq UBQ Mining. A $2000 investment in ETH at $300 in June would have gained about 240% as of now and be worth.

If you are thinking of getting into Eather mining and start building an expensive rig then dont, soon in a few months you will not be ble to mine anymore. PoS will take over and mining will no longer be possible. PoS stands for Proof Of Stake, meaning people that hold Ether can do so called staking where they deposit their coins into a 'staking vault' and receive fees for confirming transactions on the network. That works via a consensus algorithm. My recommendation: Its too late to get into mining, instead buy Ether now with that money and you will make much more money. The required amount for staking is RUMORED to be 1500.

But if you allready have a few AMD cards laying around, then you can at least mine some Ether for now.but dont og out buy expensive equipment now. The party is already over and the only way to make money with Ether is to buy ether as an Investment and hold on to it for future gains in price. Good Luck Servercookie.

I am seriously not trying to troll anyone, just informing people if the coming change. The majority of the suggestions here are pretty vauge and cryptic, and no one is giving anyone a clear answer.

The simple fact is that mining will stop soon and then you will sitt there With a lot of shinny Cards you have to mine something else With. If you can find a profitable alt coin that is. I was seriously thinking of getting into mining myself. But buying equipment for 5k and only being able to mine for a few more months is not such a great Investment idea. Not if you want a ROI I have read the blog, and the conclusion is fairly simple. We are now in PoW and are able to mine, once PoC starts then mining will stop.simple as that really. For those who have allready bought Equipment then mine as its the last day on Earth and hope you recoup the Investment.

OP Is trolling but does make a point or two. At the rate people are moving to mining it will surely be destroyed in a month or two. I have yet to see anything come out of ether beside sergei's ethereum doubler (fraud ponzi russian scam) and augur, which is nothing special anyway and could have been implented with other crypto currencies. When it does go to POS what will the network be doing besides facilitating ether transfers and students trying to start their own coin?? Problem with BTC >>chinese took over with asic and 1cent power and BTC diff grew 10x the rate of BTC price. Result = dead network with bad price point. Problem with Ether >>1.2 million miners wanting another bitcoin when it isn't going to be that, too many miners, too fast growth with no application or useful purpose relative to cost How am i trolling, are you seriously thinking you will be mining once PoC comes out.

I would love to see you doing any ether mining at that point. Feel free to prove me wrong, just read the eutherum blog.

Problem with Ether >>1.2 million miners wanting another bitcoin when it isn't going to be that, too many miners, too fast growth with no application or useful purpose relative to cost Right, while I believe in Ethereum in the long run, but it should be pretty obvious the price is buoyed by pure speculation at this point. Not to say this is uncommon in crypto, it's just Ether is not backed by anything sustainable right now.

Despite this, the mining profits right now are insane. We can all enjoy that for the time being. Yes, mining 'right now' is great which is why we're seeing an explosion of farms. If anyone cares to calculate how much some people have made of Ether's 3000% increase in the past 3 months and what this means, then it's kinda obvious how much capital the wiser early adopters have to sink into this. Further consider that Ethereums market cap ATM is just a shard under $1b from an origional $19m crowd fund. People still have that money to spend, and obviously some are spending it on huge GPU farms.

Because of this, mining profits in a months time will probably crash out with the diff explosion. It really has nothing to do with POS. POS and POW will both be running in Serenity up until Metropolis which I believe intends only to run POS. OP is not trolling, just inexperienced and not fully aware of the more likely factors that threaten our POW returns. Yes, mining 'right now' is great which is why we're seeing an explosion of farms. If anyone cares to calculate how much some people have made of Ether's 3000% increase in the past 3 months and what this means, then it's kinda obvious how much capital the wiser early adopters have to sink into this. Further consider that Ethereums market cap ATM is just a shard under $1b from an origional $19m crowd fund.

People still have that money to spend, and obviously some are spending it on huge GPU farms. Because of this, mining profits in a months time will probably crash out with the diff explosion. It really has nothing to do with POS. POS and POW will both be running in Serenity up until Metropolis which I believe intends only to run POS. OP is not trolling, just inexperienced and not fully aware of the more likely factors that threaten our POW returns some people like to buy and sell, some like to 'mine' as well. From the initial investors perspective, if you are selling out of eth, what will you buy?

I bought eth directly when it was inexpensive (up to 0.008 BTC/eth), but now I want to mine instead of buying because mining insulates you against price volatility somewhat. I have spent whatever i can spend and or have electricity/AC for during spring.

Maybe one or two more cards and that's it. Total of three rigs with up to ~220mh/s in immediate future and total of ~260-270mh/s final. Will mine whatever i will mine, then hold. Will not convert back to fiat, or at least not for a while.

Maybe will sell some to self driving cars with AI later on. Right now is still NOT a bad time to start mining ETH simply because the GPUs are in stock and still cheap.

So going out and maxing out your credit card at Newegg doesn't seem like a big risk like it did 2 years ago. The reason why alot of people got BURNT with Litecoin GPU mining is because when the 280X came out it cost like $299 USD, and then it was out of stock and prices jumped to $450 USD and people kept buying them while the price of BTC and LTC kept falling and difficulty rising. With ETH you can get the R7 370 which is like $100 USD and worse case you sell it second hand for like $70 USD in 6-12 months. Yes, mining 'right now' is great which is why we're seeing an explosion of farms. If anyone cares to calculate how much some people have made of Ether's 3000% increase in the past 3 months and what this means, then it's kinda obvious how much capital the wiser early adopters have to sink into this. Further consider that Ethereums market cap ATM is just a shard under $1b from an origional $19m crowd fund. People still have that money to spend, and obviously some are spending it on huge GPU farms.

Because of this, mining profits in a months time will probably crash out with the diff explosion. It really has nothing to do with POS.

POS and POW will both be running in Serenity up until Metropolis which I believe intends only to run POS. OP is not trolling, just inexperienced and not fully aware of the more likely factors that threaten our POW returns some people like to buy and sell, some like to 'mine' as well. From the initial investors perspective, if you are selling out of eth, what will you buy? I bought eth directly when it was inexpensive (up to 0.008 BTC/eth), but now I want to mine instead of buying because mining insulates you against price volatility somewhat. I have spent whatever i can spend and or have electricity/AC for during spring. Maybe one or two more cards and that's it. Total of three rigs with up to ~220mh/s in immediate future and total of ~260-270mh/s final.

Will mine whatever i will mine, then hold. Will not convert back to fiat, or at least not for a while. Maybe will sell some to self driving cars with AI later on. Yes, mining 'right now' is great which is why we're seeing an explosion of farms. If anyone cares to calculate how much some people have made of Ether's 3000% increase in the past 3 months and what this means, then it's kinda obvious how much capital the wiser early adopters have to sink into this. Further consider that Ethereums market cap ATM is just a shard under $1b from an origional $19m crowd fund.

People still have that money to spend, and obviously some are spending it on huge GPU farms. Because of this, mining profits in a months time will probably crash out with the diff explosion. It really has nothing to do with POS. POS and POW will both be running in Serenity up until Metropolis which I believe intends only to run POS. OP is not trolling, just inexperienced and not fully aware of the more likely factors that threaten our POW returns some people like to buy and sell, some like to 'mine' as well. From the initial investors perspective, if you are selling out of eth, what will you buy?

I bought eth directly when it was inexpensive (up to 0.008 BTC/eth), but now I want to mine instead of buying because mining insulates you against price volatility somewhat. I have spent whatever i can spend and or have electricity/AC for during spring. Maybe one or two more cards and that's it.

Total of three rigs with up to ~220mh/s in immediate future and total of ~260-270mh/s final. Will mine whatever i will mine, then hold.

Will not convert back to fiat, or at least not for a while. Maybe will sell some to self driving cars with AI later on. Yes, mining 'right now' is great which is why we're seeing an explosion of farms. If anyone cares to calculate how much some people have made of Ether's 3000% increase in the past 3 months and what this means, then it's kinda obvious how much capital the wiser early adopters have to sink into this.

Further consider that Ethereums market cap ATM is just a shard under $1b from an origional $19m crowd fund. People still have that money to spend, and obviously some are spending it on huge GPU farms. Because of this, mining profits in a months time will probably crash out with the diff explosion. It really has nothing to do with POS. POS and POW will both be running in Serenity up until Metropolis which I believe intends only to run POS. OP is not trolling, just inexperienced and not fully aware of the more likely factors that threaten our POW returns some people like to buy and sell, some like to 'mine' as well.

From the initial investors perspective, if you are selling out of eth, what will you buy? I bought eth directly when it was inexpensive (up to 0.008 BTC/eth), but now I want to mine instead of buying because mining insulates you against price volatility somewhat. I have spent whatever i can spend and or have electricity/AC for during spring. Maybe one or two more cards and that's it. Total of three rigs with up to ~220mh/s in immediate future and total of ~260-270mh/s final. Will mine whatever i will mine, then hold.

Will not convert back to fiat, or at least not for a while. Maybe will sell some to self driving cars with AI later on. Some people like to buy and sell, some like to 'mine' as well. From the initial investors perspective, if you are selling out of eth, what will you buy?

I bought eth directly when it was inexpensive (up to 0.008 BTC/eth), but now I want to mine instead of buying because mining insulates you against price volatility somewhat. I have spent whatever i can spend and or have electricity/AC for during spring. Maybe one or two more cards and that's it. Total of three rigs with up to ~220mh/s in immediate future and total of ~260-270mh/s final. Will mine whatever i will mine, then hold. Will not convert back to fiat, or at least not for a while. Maybe will sell some to self driving cars with AI later on I had a few hundred mined eth which I had to sell off at 90c to pay electricity and a BTC loan.

It wasn't pretty. But I'll be damned if I sell any more now. I'm buying rigs with with mortgage redraw, effectively borrowing from my house with my eth holdings as security. Well, there's no doubt you're committed I, too, see great value in Ethereum, but the question is how long will it take for that to manifest, and how long will investors' patience hold out. As we agreed in an earlier exchange, Ethereum wall take a lot longer to be fully baked than anyone can imagine, at this point.

One point on which I'm not quite with you is this ETH/BTC inversion scenario. I personally don't see ETH and BTC as competitors, but rather complimentary. BTC is a store of value, the ultimate number of BTC that will be available is already now; it has no potential for inflation. ETH will inflate, but it's core value is not as a currency, but as a smart transaction platform. ETH is, essentially, the stock of Ethereum. Ethereum is already working hard to develop a bridge between the BTC blockchain and the ETH blockchain to facilitate smart contracts with BTC as one of the base contract currencies.

So, although I see great potential for further grow in ETH as a stock proxy, I don't really see it displacing BTC, and even if it were to do that, certainly not in the timeframe you've proposed. Obviously, though, no one knows how this very interesting game will play out.

-Best Care David. The question regarding Bitcoin is, 'what gives it value?' It has scarcity based speculative value. It has utilitarian value for the problems it solves by being a geo-politically agnostic currency and it can be traded for goods and services. However, it's value is not related to any physical fundamentals, not even the energy wasted to keep it going. It was always an experiment, a prototype and so the truest value of Bitcoin is what has been learnt in order to give rise to something like Ethereum.

And that is a qualitative value rather than quantitative. In the longer term, through IoT in particular, Ethereum will have physically tangible interaction with mainstream society, as common place and commonly used as are mobile apps now. That is a real social capital. What will Bitcoin have?

I also don't understand why people say eth is not intended as a currency. It is both a currency and a commodity, and if you don't own any then you can't interact with those real world Etherum conveniences. I've covered this territory on 'value' in a There is nothing in Bitcoin where I can't see Ethereum doing a better job except for perhaps Bitcoin's deflationary economic philosophy. That's why I'm BTC pessimistic, it's being superseded. I'm not saying it will disappear but who will want it, who will want to mine it and who will want to maintain it?

After a few more days thinking, I'll concede that saying there will be a inversion of the ETH/BTC pair in the short term was a bit preemptive. I was thinking that because BTC is the primary purchasing currency for ETH, that BTC holdings would be sold down to buy ETH. What I didn't consider is BTC's roll as the cross currency from fiat to Eth, IOW the demand for BTC remains as it's currently the simplest way to purchase ETH. That all changes once ETH/fiat exchanges are established, again driving down the demand for BTC. Some people like to buy and sell, some like to 'mine' as well. From the initial investors perspective, if you are selling out of eth, what will you buy?

I bought eth directly when it was inexpensive (up to 0.008 BTC/eth), but now I want to mine instead of buying because mining insulates you against price volatility somewhat. I have spent whatever i can spend and or have electricity/AC for during spring. Maybe one or two more cards and that's it. Total of three rigs with up to ~220mh/s in immediate future and total of ~260-270mh/s final. Will mine whatever i will mine, then hold. Will not convert back to fiat, or at least not for a while. Maybe will sell some to self driving cars with AI later on I had a few hundred mined eth which I had to sell off at 90c to pay electricity and a BTC loan.

It wasn't pretty. But I'll be damned if I sell any more now. I'm buying rigs with with mortgage redraw, effectively borrowing from my house with my eth holdings as security. When I hear stuff like this people selling their homes orcretirement to buy miners it tells me things are out of hand What if the price tanks back to 2 or 3 then what will you do? It's the Wild Wild West of crypto nothing is promised I understand investing in mining it's really too late to buy large amounts of eth at current prices, like Someone said mining at least insulates you from price fluctuations since you can always sell your hardware But buying can work well too I made 3 btc playing the market this weekend sold a bunch at 15 Then bought back on the huge dump at 12 It's so easy to do this if I had 10k fiat available I could make 300 a day just following the whales. I'm buying rigs with with mortgage redraw, effectively borrowing from my house with my eth holdings as security. When I hear stuff like this people selling their homes orcretirement to buy miners it tells me things are out of hand Perhaps I made a bit too dramatic a statement.

What I've done is redraw a few $1000 from advanced payments on my house, to pay for mining gear instead of funding it from my current ethereum holdings. The holdings though humble compared to many other early adopters, are still in excess of what I've redrawn. My first rig was funded with a BTCJam loan because Ethereum was still so conceptual and I didn't want to mess with things on the home front.

Now there's a whole lot more confidence in the platform.

Introduction There seems to be a growing consensus among many cryptominers that their mining rigs will be close to valueless in another few weeks. This is because of the incredible growth in the mining difficulty of Ethereum and Zcash, which has lowered the profitability of mining across the board. I have heard many miners say all summer that there is 'no sense in investing in a rig that won't pay itself off (in Eth)'. And their math is correct. The amount of Eth mined at current prices will not be sufficient to pay off the initial investment into a mining rig. The issue with this point of view is that it ignores the entire purpose of mining which is to be a hedge against the volatility of crypto.

It also bases the entire outlook of mining solely on the Ethereum ecosystem, and does not take into account the broad possibilities for the future. The Unknowns of Crypto Mining When the RX470 and 480 first launched in late 2016, I seriously considered building myself an Eth mining rig. However, the Eth price was relatively depressed at that point in time, and many people were saying that it was pointless to build a new mining rig. I weighed the argument, and ultimately decided against getting into mining. A few months later, the price of Eth skyrocketed and I regretted that decision.

A simple $1500 investment into a mining rig would have turned into $30K worth of Ether! Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and I had no way of knowing that at the time. The price could have also continued to plummet, and I would have barely broken even on my electrical costs and on the depreciation of my hardware. The point of this example is to illustrate the unpredictability of GPU mining. The Early Bird Catches the Worm This unpredictability is the fundamental problem that many people run into when they first start mining. In order to be a successful miner, you have to be in it for more than just a quick buck.

Or put more simply, mining is usually most profitable when it is least profitable. As an example, those who held onto their Litecoin mining rigs from 2013 were all set up to be able to mine Ethereum at the genesis block in 2015. In the early days of the ETH blockchain it was possible for a single mining rig to earn anywhere from 20-40 Eth a day.

At the time, the profitability margin wasn't that high, but the total amount of Eth mined in those early days would be a truly staggering amount in today's dollars. The Investment Argument But what about investing in ETH instead of mining?

Doesn't that make more sense from a purely financial standpoint? In my case, purchasing and holding ETH with the funds that I would have used to purchase a mining rig would have netted me a final total of anywhere from $30-$100K depending on when I bought and sold. So on paper, this theory is correct. For maximum profits, buying and holding crypto can definitely be a more lucrative investment than mining. However, because of the volatile nature of crypto I believe that it is wise to hedge your assets and diversify your potential losses. Even if the price of ETH were to drop to $0 tomorrow, I would still have my mining equipment which I could sell to recoup a lot of my mining costs. Whereas if I had invested all of that money into ETH, I would have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Post-Ethereum GPU Mining After Ethereum switches to Proof of Stake, there will be a massive shakeup in the GPU mining world. There are currently about 2.5 million GPUs mining Eth. This estimate is a rough one that I have created by dividing the hashrate of the network (62.5 Th/s) by the average hashrate of a mining card, which I pegged at about 24-25 Mh/s to include older mining rigs that still might be operating. Many hobbyist miners believe that there is not enough demand for all of this hashrate in other coins, resulting in a glut that will drive profitability down and make GPU mining pointless for everyone.

However, this popular prediction really falls apart once put under basic economic scrutiny. If this scenario were to play out, large mining corporations that depend on steady payouts in order to stay afloat would have to sell off enough of their hashpower to keep their mining profitability in the black. This would also ensure that there would at least be a profitability margin where the average hobbyist/part-time miner like myself could pay for power and even make a little bit of profit. My personal belief is that the need for GPU processing power will only increase in the near future. Not only will there be new mineable coins in the future, but there are also many up-and-coming projects that will offer new ways of earning compensation for GPU computation. A few select examples include SONM and Golem, which will both use the Ether blockchain as a method of distributing decentralized processing power to paying customers. Despite all this, I still believe that there will be many people selling their mining rigs off cheap over the next few months in the hopes that they will 'recoup their mining investment'.

My strategy will be to take advantage of the glut of cheap GPUs and stock up for the long-term. If you are looking for a way to get into hobbyist mining, these next few months may be the best chance in recent years to do it. Happy mining! Make sure to follow me on Steem and resteem if you liked this guide! Your comments and helpful criticism is greatly valued.:). You captured the moment pretty well when you posted this, but I think the moment is upon us again with analysts stirring up fears that AMD and Nvidia will suffer because Ethereum is going to go proof of stake. Golem, nicehash, gridcoin, etc.

There are many projects out there that can soak up the processing power. The world is getting more technological, not less. There will be increasing demand for GPUs in all areas, blockchain technologies will enable one of many avenues to use a GPU farm. Good post.:).